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		<title>Commit Mortgage Fraud!&#8230;.Who&#8230;.Me?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin McClelland</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I did some research and also consulted with my lawyer regarding the legality of compensating a seller post-short-sale.  On the internet I found an article on the Kick Ass Short Sales website.  After reading it, this made a lot of sense.  However, I still sought out the advice of my lawyer and this was [...]]]></description>
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<p>So I did some research and also consulted with my lawyer regarding the legality of compensating a seller post-short-sale.  On the internet I found an <a href="http://www.kickassshortsales.com/LegallyPay.html" target="_blank">article on the Kick Ass Short Sales</a> website.  After reading it, this made a lot of sense.  However, I still sought out the advice of my lawyer and this was his email response.</p>
<blockquote><p>A Bill of Sale raises a red flag (in terms of <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/fraud" title="Fraud" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud">fraud</a>) but is not, by itself, a fraudulent act.  For example, if the Sellers have a working washer/dryer and sell it for $500, there’s a legitimate argument that it was sold for its fair market value.  If there were ever a legal challenge, we would need to show that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for that year, model and condition of washer/dryer.</p>
<p>Fraud only exists when an intentional act was done to harm another person.  For example, in a <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/short_selling" title="Short (finance)" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_%28finance%29">short sale</a>, the lender usually issues a short sale approval letter that says, among other things, that the lender should receive X dollars and the <strong>Seller must receive no more than $0.00 at closing</strong>.  If I use a Bill of Sale to purchase the washer/dryer, and pay the Seller $5,000 when the fair market value of the washer/dryer was $500, then I’ve probably committed a fraudulent act.</p>
<p>As an attorney, I usually suggest that if you think you’re committing fraud, there’s a good chance you shouldn’t be doing what you’re doing.  That said, there are many, many instances where a Bill of Sale is a very useful – and legal – tool to purchase <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/personal_property" title="Personal property" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property">personal property</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>After this email response, we had a follow-up chat and I asked about my specific situation.  The Department of Health and Family Services was the only lien holder to discount their note.  This sole discount allowed for the other <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/lien" title="Lien" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien">liens</a> to be paid in full.  However, the DHFS did indeed specify the amount that they&#8217;re to be paid at closing, BUT did not specifically state that the <strong>seller is to be paid $0.00 at closing</strong>.  I asked, since that wasn&#8217;t specified in my correspondence with the DHFS, if that means the door is open to compensate the seller.  My lawyer replied that it does.  However, with any &#8220;gray-area&#8221; there are inherent risks.  He approximated, in this situation, the risk to be minimal.  But there&#8217;s still a risk, none the less.  The risk being that the DHFS, upon learning of seller-compensation, could come after me and argue that the seller compensation restriction was implied.</p>
<p>Here is the latest email correspondence with the DHFS:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sale price $9,000.00 less $3,590.00 for mortgage, $275.00 City of Champaign nuisance lien, $315.07 Urbana &amp; Champaign Sanitary lien.  H&amp;FS will release it&#8217;s lien for $4,819.93.</p>
<p>Please send payment of $4,819,93 to Technical Recovery P.O. Box 19174 Springfield, IL 62794.  A release of lien will be prepared and file when payment is received.</p></blockquote>
<p>See, nothing says that the seller must receive $0.00 at closing.  But all of this may be neither here nor there.  I was scheduled to meet with the sellers yesterday (the original scheduled date of closing) and try and renegotiate something that would allow them to walk away with at least a little something from the deal.  Not 9K, but something.  But&#8230;they canceled on me.  So that was it for me.  It&#8217;s time to play rough!  I&#8217;ll let yall know what happens once the gun-smoke dissipates.</p>
<p>- Peace Out</p>
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