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WTF! Wednesday v8

August 25th, 2010
Inmate Caller ID
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So I’ve been doing my short-saling lately in effort to get more short-sales underway.  The more the better, as I don’t think anyone has a 100% success rate with these.  So yesterday, I decided to follow-up with a short-sale prospect from last winter.

This lady back in December was gung-ho about moving forward with the short-sale and then when it came time to sign the contracts she stopped answering my calls.  Then when I finally got in touch with her by about February, she said that she wanted to hold-off because she felt like she was going to get current with her payments.  Since she had gone through cycles of getting behind a few months and catching up, I didn’t doubt her (too much).

So I talked with her yesterday and asked her how everything was going, because I had spontaneously remembered that the bank was scheduled to foreclose in late summer, but I didn’t have the exact date.  When we start talking I ask her how she had been and everything…and asked if she got her house situation taken care of.  She told me that she didn’t and she ended up losing it…she got foreclosed-on about two weeks ago.  She then said, “I should’ve called you“.  This case was unfortunate.  I mean…I used to blow her phone UP…It was obvious that she was screening my calls.  I just imagined her eating a bag of Doritos on the couch with a jug of Kool-Aid…watching Maury…the phone would ring…she leans over and looks at the caller-id…she’d yell to her kids “LET IT RING!”.  I guess you can’t help someone if they don’t want to be helped.

And for the future, if I find someone in that situation again, I should probably add a contract addendum that states the homeowner can nullify the contract if the mortgage is brought current.  That way, I can still get the contract and move forward.  Oh well, I learned from it, and now I know for next time.

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WTF! Wednesday v5

June 30th, 2010

Here we go with volume 5 of this WTF! Wednesday series.  I swear I am running into every possible road block ever conceived in this Real Estate game.  So check this shit out.  I received word last week that the two Champaign properties, which were held-up due to a bankruptcy, were clear to close from my Realtor.  Apparently, bankruptcies take forever and a day to resolve, as these properties were put under contract in February.  So I start making calls and getting things ready for the closing of one of them.

Everything was going smoothly, I went to follow-up with the bank that held the note on the two properties.  The reason being that their original approval letter was vague due to the fact that it didn’t specify what the payoff amount was.  As a matter of fact, I’ll give you exactly what this letter said:

February 18, 2010

To Whom It May Concern:

Please allow this letter to serve as notification of approval for the [Jon and Jane Doe], to sell property located at [1234 Main Street] and [4321 Main Street] both located in Champaign.  Should you have any questions, please contact me at [217-222-2222].

Sincerely,

[Deez Nuts]
Assistant Vice President

So, as you see, this letter is completely vague.  So I made a call to the bank, to request a more specific letter per my lawyers instruction.  See email chain:

—Message Reply—

Justin,

They need to specify the amount of money they agree to receive in exchange for releasing their mortgage on the subject property (i.e., a specific payoff amount).

—Original Message—

[Lawyer],

I guess it’s time to revisit the (vague) bank approval letter.  We spoke months ago about this and you said that once the time came I’d need a more detailed letter.  If you tell me what is specifically needed in the approval letter, I can contact the bank and request what I need.

So I give the bank a call and get connected to the Assistant Vice President that drafted the original letter.  I proceed to request that I need a more specific approval letter.  He then proceeds to tell me that the sellers no longer own the properties and that they deeded them both back to the bank.  And there is no way that he was going to sell for the 30K price I had each under contract for! (and dude kinda copped an attitude)

I was completely baffled by that statement, I thought everything was going smoothly and now this.  First thing I always do in these situations is play “devils advocate”.  So after the phone conversation, I begin to brainstorm how this “deed in lieu” could legally have been done.  These are the points I’m able to come-up with:

  • Bankruptcy actions supersede any previous contracts
  • Contracts were expired

Those are the only pro-bank arguments that I can think of.  Now onto what matters, the pro-Justin arguments.  Here are my arguments:

  • I was able and willing to close (in March) before contracts expired
  • I had the required 3rd party bank-approval (in February) before contracts expired
  • I made numerous efforts to update contracts with seller (once in April and in May)

As I write this, I’m still waiting to hear back from my lawyer on this issue.  But, the realistic part of my brain is thinking that pro-bank bullet point #1 is what may be true.  Perhaps, bankruptcy actions overrule in this matter.  The emotional side of my brain is thinking “F#&K You, Pay Me” (cool points to who can name the movie with that quote).  But anywho, this is a stellar example of why I must increase my lead quantity and concurrent deals in the works.  When you’re counting on one deal, it’s almost guaranteed to fall through.

Even if there was some illegal foul-up on behalf of the bank or the seller, it would most likely cost more time and money to correct.  And if it involves court-action, I can forget about it.  These aren’t marginal deals, but court costs aren’t feasible.

I’m curious to hear if anyone else has experienced something similar, or if you have any expertise on the matter.  Please provide your input in the comments.

- Justin

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WTF! Wednesday v4

June 23rd, 2010

This weeks’ WTF moment comes from the April 2010 archives.  This was a phone conversation held with a homeowner that was in Foreclosure trouble.  I had the house listed during the time I was negotiating with the bank.

Phone*Ring*Ring*Ring

Me: Justin McClelland speaking
Him:
Hey Justin, it’s ********
Me:
Hi *********, how’s it going
Him:
Well, I’ve got some bad news for you and hopefully this doesn’t change things
Me:
Uh oh…well lay it on me, what’s the bad news?
Him:
Some people broke into the house the other night and vandalized it pretty bad
Me:
Well how bad is it?
Him:
They broke some windows, punched holes in the walls, and smeared ketchup and BBQ sauce all over the walls.  I’ve already filed a police report
Me:
Well, that’s doesn’t sound like too big of a deal
Him:
Are you still interested in the house
Me:
Yeah, what they did doesn’t change anything
Him:
Well that’s a relief, because I really want to keep this foreclosure off my record
Me:
Understandable.  Well, what’s the deal with the break-in…do you think it was just some neighborhood kids or something?
Him:
Well, I have a pretty good idea who it was
Me:
Really?
Him:
Yeah…you see, I spent 14 years of my life in a federal penitentiary…it was probably the next door neighbors to that house…I killed their son…I did the time for it…but I guess they won’t let bygones be bygones
Me (internally):
SH!T
Me: I see…well the vandalism shouldn’t effect anything as those damages will just be reported to the bank and they’ll take it into account for their pricing…(conversation continued)…

*Granted we all make mistakes…I do my best not to judge.  But to hear that on the other end of the phone…it was heavy like a ton of bricks, honestly.  Never heard those words come from someones mouth before.  A definite WTF moment…can’t have a normal day after a conversation like this one… this effed my whole day up

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WTF! Wednesdays

June 2nd, 2010

So I decided to start a new series called “WTF! Wednesdays”. This series is going to be based on some of the senseless occurrences that I face in my day-to-day dealings as an investor. No eBook, DVD, or seminar can really prepare you for this. If you’ve got years of experience, then you know what I’m talking about and most likely have a ton more stories than I do. If you’re brand-new or still on the fence, allow me to open your eyes.

So, to kick things off real proper like. I have a voicemail I’d like to share which was received from a lady who received a Yellow Letter from me recently. If this wasn’t 2010 and more like 1990, it would be an answering machine tape that would be worn-out by now. I have played this thing SOOO MANY times….just cuz.  So, click the ‘fitting’ image below to listen in.

Cartman

I doubt this lady thought I’d find her message entertaining and put her on blast.  She doesn’t know who she’s messing with.  I refuse to take life so seriously.  But anyway, I’m interested to know what other investors run across.  Perhaps, if you have a blog you can participate in this “WTF! Wednesdays” series.  C’mon…it’ll be fun.

- Justin

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